Cloudflare Acquires VoidZero

Cloudflare has acquired void zero, and we're gonna be diving into all of that live here at JS nation in Amsterdam.

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this is sick. Yeah. It's great to hear this. Wicked conference.

Thousands of Europeans here.

It's just excellent. It's a great time. Stoked to be here, but this is this is fun. Look at this set. We got multiple cams. Cam Node. Cam two. Cam one. Cam two. Sorry for that. I just got one.

So CJ cam. There's three cams, and we're in the same room. That's amazing. Yes. We're all getting to actually chat here. That's true. So the big news, obviously, that we're gonna be talking about, as we said up top, was that Cloudflare has acquired void zero, the creators of VOID, Vite plus, Vite, these things that we know and love, and that's big news. Even though they haven't acquired Vite itself, Vite is going to remain,

open source. It has its own team of collaborators. Yeah. Well, in fact, they've they've, like, put up a bunch of money towards the the open source Yarn, a million bucks Yeah. Towards it, which is awesome. So don't run to the comments just yet.

I feel good about Cloudflare, the company. What do you think, like, about them acquiring? I feel good about the future of Veeet. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. I mean, I

out of all the companies that could have acquired Veeet Yeah. Or not they didn't acquire Veeet. I shouldn't say that. Void void zero.

I've I've been Cloudflare seems like the best bet to me. I I have nothing but good vibes with Cloudflare personally because I host so much stuff there, and I I tend to like all their stuff. So that's just me, though. You know? Yes.

So let's let's talk about why. Like like, why why did they do this, and and why is it exciting? So Veet, we're gonna call it Veet. Everyone gets mad that they say acquire Veet. We get it. It's a company called void zero run by Evan Yu.

And But they didn't acquire Veet. They didn't. Node now. The maintainers of Veet and Ben. Just the creator Yes. Of them. I think I think everybody understands that. But so we we talked about Veed Plus a couple months ago. Right? Veed Plus is this new CLI tool that allows you that encompasses everything. Right? You got your your linting, your formatting, your your building,

all all of that in one single CLI tool, which is fantastic. I've been using it myself for all of my projects going forward. I was gonna say, CJ, are you using Vite plus? I haven't yet. I tried it. Yes. But next project, I probably will just because it's it's it scaffolds everything. Right? Like like, you don't have to have a separate config file for everything. It's a single config. So it seems nice. I haven't tried it yet, but it seems nice. Yes. I'm also using v plus for everything right now because it was fairly trivial to switch Vercel. And any new projects, I'm just

defaulting to one. The only I don't like is that when you do VP what is it? New or whatever the whatever you use to scaffold the new project. Mhmm. It there's no way to scaffold it in the current folder. It always creates a second folder. Oh, okay. But

I'll log a bug for that. For for me, I'm still waiting on full Svelte support for this Oh, yeah. ESLint and format stuff. It's coming, and it's Right. It's starting to to come in here, but I'm still waiting on it, like, to fully replace ESLint. And So let's talk about, like like, why would Cloudflare even want this tooling? They could have slot forked it.

They could have just made their own. They could have, like Cloudflare itself has gotten so much better since they integrated Vite into it. They have this awesome Cloudflare Vite plug in, which allows you to access your environmental variables inside of it. It you don't have to, like, fuss with, like, webpack bundling. You can just run TypeScript directly.

It's gotten quite a bit better.

And void zero themselves have kinda launched, like, two things. Right? They launched v plus, which we talked about, and then they also were working on on this product called void, which was a way to, like, host or deploy applications, and it was entirely built on

the, like, Cloudflare stack. Can we call void a framework?

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Void was a framework. It was a JavaScript framework that had routing and is. You're saying had, but it still is. Right? Or Well, like, the thing is is, like, it it was released private beta, and then they got acquired. And, like, I I don't know, but I doubt that they're actually going to release it because The thing was that it was all built on top of Cloudflare. But from asking them, it didn't seem like the idea was that you could just use this tool to deploy to your own Cloudflare. Right. Right. It was that they were building their own cloud on top of of CloudFlare. Yeah. Right? A cloud cloud flare. The framework components, the routing That's right. DB stuff. I don't think that's going anywhere. Well, I Like, when when they first told us about it, you know, integrated it wasn't at CloudFlare,

my first thought was

they're going to be acquired by Cloudflare. I think both of you guys have called it. They're making something that Cloudflare wants. Yeah. Because

now that Cloudflare has acquired them, they have everything.

Front end framework. You know? You can like, you can, of course, use fault or or React or whatever, but, also, they have their own thing. Back end, but you can use Vue. Yeah. I'm sure I hear it worked with with v with, Vite.

They got database, caching, key value, off, images, video.

Like, we're trying to we were talking before this. Like, what doesn't

Cloudflare have now? Yeah. They got queues.

Queues, durable objects, real time. Real time. Some of the stuff JS, like, you have to do it the weird Cloudflare way. Yeah.

But

It's kinda one stop shop. Yeah. I mentioned they don't have an, like, auth platform. Like, you can't host through your users there. You still might be using something else. Yeah. They have, like, Cloudflare access Okay. Yeah. Which is

kind of like, I use it as an auth thing to to guard a lot of mass. It's more I don't know. It's, like, kind of a mix between, like, Tailscale. You could certainly use it for your applications. Probably wouldn't. But, like, no. You're probably still reaching for, like, a better off, something like that.

Is cooked into void. Void. Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. So they've they have tip to tail I was gonna say all the pieces. This tip to tail? Is it a one stop shop? Is it, what are some other ones? The vegan tip to tail equivalent? Yes. Arm to table. Oh. From a root to leaf. Yeah.

From, yeah, root to leaf. We're root from root to leaf. Okay? They have all the pieces, and I I think that's exciting because OpenAI, couple weeks or last week, launched this thing called OpenAI sites, which essentially JS, like A new headset. You can make Yeah. A site, and you can deploy, and it deploys to Cloudflare. Yeah. Because Cloudflare has all the pieces. And now Cloudflare has to sell all the pieces, or it's a nice tidy package that they can just hand over to an LLM and say, like, build me something, deploy the thing, use my access.

You don't have to, like, reach outside to any Scott of third party service. And I I think that, like, infrastructure is, like, the last thing that the these LLM companies have not come for. And I don't know if they'll ever be able to come for it because it's a lot easier to, like, vibe code some software versus, like, scaling infrastructure across

all the governments and and countries of the world. But you'd have to think that with the current way things are working, root to leaf, you would be able to use an LLM to say, build me a site with this stack, and it's got everything. Yeah. One stop shop. One stop shop. Tip to tail. Yeah. Tip to tail. That's the biggest sell JS, like obviously,

it we've talked about before. It's vendor lock in. Yeah. But that might be a good thing because they have everything you need. So, like, you're you're not gonna have to shop around. You're not gonna have to find different libraries and try to integrate them. Yeah. You use the void framework. You have access to all the infrastructure.

I think for anybody that's already using CloudFlare, this seems like a like a no brainer. Yeah. And and for people who don't even know what Cloudflare is, they just type in the box Yep. Make me a site.

It's and it like, I think the best analogy is, like, it's the new Vercel. Like, Vercel made it easy to deploy back end apps. Yeah. And now, void with CloudFlare is doing the same thing, but on CloudFlare instead of on AWS. Yeah. So the other thing is that

the CloudFlare has been working on their new CLI. Because CloudFlare CLI Wrangler,

absolute dog. Like, it's it's kinda hard to use, you Node? Yeah. If anybody was thinking that doesn't cover everything Wes a a a just a total

Cloudflare love Wes Node know I have a lot of love for it. To say. Yeah. No. Yeah. And they know that because they've been working on a new CLI called CF, that does everything, in Cloudflare. So you don't have to like, with Wrangler, sometimes you have to, like, go to the the GUI and select things, and then you gotta go back to the thing. And then sometimes if you do something in the UI, but then you you push something in your config file, it overwrites your ANV bar. Complete. It ends every time. Yeah. It's just like no. That that's a that's a weird thing.

And, like, who's who's better at writing CLIs than than the Vite team? Right? They Vite has been such a blessing to the web development scene of just making this frustrating Yarn stuff delightful and easy to use. Yeah. And, like, now I hope they they do that to the the Cloudflare CLI. CloudFlare's

got a crazy roster of talented people Wes. Holy cow. If you add you add Evan to that next Yeah. Like, wow. Yeah. They've been cooking. It's a testament to good engineering too. Like like, for the past four years, whatever we've been saying, like, like,

the programming is dead, but you see big companies like this acquiring really talented engineers. Like, we still need really talented engineers. Yeah. We don't need the, like, the shitty ones like us, but they need the good ones. Yeah. So, I mean, I don't know. At least. To me, that not notice here. Yeah.

But it keeps me hopeful because I mean, like so, like, anthropic acquiring BUN and getting access to Jared Sumner and, like, all the talent of the BUN team. So it's interesting to see it's like they're saying one thing. It's gonna replace developers, yet they're hiring developers and spending a lot of money to do it. So Mhmm. Something to think about. I don't know. It's food for thought. Food for thought. Yes.

So the deal was announced in, June 4. Do we know anything about

the deal? No. No. I tried. I poked at a couple of them, but they they did not spill the beans. Yeah. But I was luckily, I knew about this before a lot of the folks at CloudFlare knew about it, which was kind of exciting. Yeah. So how how how did that happen? Well, don't bring anybody in trouble. Yeah. I don't wanna I don't wanna get anybody in trouble. No. I'm not not revealing my sources.

But yeah. That's good.

Nice.

I think that's it. Yeah. So do you wanna wrap it up or do you I'll I'll reiterate. So, like, Vite, Vitez, roll down, Oxy, Vite plus, all of that still open source. They basically acquired some of the core maintainers that were working on it because they were hired by v Deno, but all of that's still open source. It's still MIT licensed. Like, none of that is owned by CloudFlare. They're just paying the developers that are working on it a a decent salary. The Vite core team not acquired. Yeah. Right. Right. Exactly. Separate. Yes. And so then that's the other news. Like, the a million dollar what do they call it? The Vite ecosystem fund. So they didn't acquire

that team, but a million dollars is going to the the maintainers and anybody else working on it. So Oh, man. Million dollars can be a little bit of maintenance. Plugins. Maybe I could get a Get some money. Like, a 100 k. I would take a 100 k for my, like, directory listing There you go. Plug in. Do you think they're gonna give you a punishment? Or I have, like, a port killing plug in for Vite. Yeah. Or, like, if something's running on the port, it'll automatically kill it.

I would take a 100 k for that one too. So maybe, like, maybe I'll dip into this fund Yeah. For the ecosystem. Think of the ecosystem. I know I do have a a a v one that is a custom DSL plug in for a, DSL that went Node, and I I have to support because I use it on my personal website instead of just using one of the community ones. But Yeah. Yeah. It's beautiful. It mentioned in their post, but also say it that, like, Vite still runs everywhere. That that that's why we love Vite from the beginning. It kind of, like, unified the build process, made it super easy to build apps. Yeah. That's not tied to Cloudflare. You can still use it to build your app, deploy to Vercel, like, manually run your own server.

For Node. For for now. Well, okay. So

we have experience with this.

Syntax acquired by Century. Yeah. And that was part of the hardest thing of the messaging to let everyone know that Sentax is not controlling. Don't freak out. Yeah. We Yarn controlling Syntax.

Our message won't change. The only thing is we we won't be sponsored anymore. And I remember there was a huge amount of stress around that announcement

because we didn't want people to get the wrong impression. Yeah. Yeah, you can tell that the v team was very clear about, like Right. It's not happening anywhere. So I would I would've encouraged people not to jump to conclusions about that. Can we talk about the opposite, though? If they were to, like, try to make money off of the what would they do? They tried orange. They no. They would charge for variables.

Oh. So on on the team plan, Yarn free, let, you get 200 a month. Yeah. And only 50 cons. Only 50 cons. You know, you want immutability? That's a enterprise feature. Enterprise. Yes. Yes.

I think, like, Wes, like, what else would what else could you do? Yeah. Bundle size. Yeah. If you warp it smaller, pay us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Checks. Yeah. You can only Yeah. You can only do, like, two bundles or, like, like, a hundred millisecond delay in in hot reloading.

You Node? Remove that extra $100 a month. Yeah. Or you could have it play a short ad while you're hot reloading. Yes.

Hot reload.

Throw an ad up there. Yes. You know, JS nation tickets, the latest JS nation will be. Probably probably pay for that. Yes. All this is gonna get clipped out of context, and we're they're not gonna know that way. We're here.

Pete is going paid. Yeah. So, folks, what's what what's the vibe? Leave comments below. Let us know what the vibe is around this stuff. I personally have positive feelings about all of this, so let us know what you think. I'm gonna fork it into wheat. I was gonna say, what would the vibe slop name be? Wheat? Wheat meat. Wheaties? Yeah. Well, it has to be cloud. It's a cloud version of wheat. Yeah. So I don't know. Wheat is now cloud.

Cloud Node? Veder or Better Veet. BetterVeed. BetterVeed. BetterVeed. Yeah. I'm sure they have trademark on can you trademark the word Veed, though? I think you can in the, like, tooling space. Yeah.

Alright. Alright. Cool. That's all we Scott, man. Thanks for tuning in, folks.